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  2. If new revelation came how would you expect it to sound? The BoM and D&C were heavily couched in a KJV style wording and are very beautiful, is that the standard though or just the wording filtered through the minds of that generation? Would it bother you if another revelation was brought forth that maybe sounded a bit clunkier, or is that an immediate red flag for you? I've heard it said that the KJV wording is "the langauge of revelation" but I'm not sure that's doctrine. Does it really need to have certain phrases, wording, or "flow" to qualify as Gods word or can it just be much more plain. When a so called prophet, from Snuffer to the TLC, jumps ship and produces revelation I've seen the criticism that their revelations use to many different words that just don't "match the way God speaks." While I might agree that these men aren't necessarily prophets, is using the wording of their revelations really a good criticism or does God really care how it's worded? (Obviously he wants it to actually communicate what He said, but Joseph felt free apparently to arrange his revelations into poetic format and didn't feel that that was an offence since it communicated the same principles.) Just curious on your thoughts!
  3. I probably shouldn't have posted links, since how do I know how true they are, nor do we know everything in the bible to be true.
  4. Glad to see this. Meaningful work, not just PR.
  5. You will be able to edit and start threads at 25 posts
  6. Garner Ted Armstrong strikes again (even though he passed away in 2003).
  7. Sorry, I don't know how to edit. Anyway, after the worthiness talks that he heard, he became convinced that he was unworthy. I'm sure this was the darkest time in my life, and my mother died when I was a kid. Seeing our children suffer is so hard to bare. My wife would wake up and cry before she even got out of bed,. All he wanted to do was get back out there. I don't blame the mission home content. He must have had OCD before he left and it just took the stress of a mission to bring it out. I was in the bishopric and I interviewed him. He felt unworthy because he had kissed a girl a few times as a freshman in college. He would keep bringing it up and I would say stuff like, "I kissed your mom and we were married in the temple." After I did some studying on it, i realized that doing this was about the same thing as handing a compulsive hand washer a bar of soap. It really hurt my faith. I couldn't come up with a reason why the Lord wouldn't help a boy who had lived his whole life so he would be worthy to serve the Him. After a year, he went back out but it was nip and tuck . It settled down after he had been out for a year, but at times he was so close to coming home. When our phone rang it felt like i got hit by a cattle prod. He is not active today and is bitter about having gone through it, although he served two years, worked hard and learned a foreign language. I thing the stigma about this in the Church as faded and the leadership has had a lot to do with this. But even now, when I think of those days, it feels like looking into a dark pit. Anyway, if you read all of this, thanks. It wasn't really squarely on topic.
  8. Today
  9. No, my impression was that he was happy, but I can barely recall hearing about it now, in my old age.
  10. I agree, and dearly wish that the Brethren had held to the teachings of Brother Joseph, thus making 1978 unnecessary.
  11. Here is a news item summarizing president Nelson's remarks to the NAACP: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900080599/president-russel-m-nelson-national-naacp-convention-latter-day-saints.html
  12. I don't think every contributed here but here goes. 15 - 20 years ago our ward had about 24 missionaries serving constantly. This was in the days of fair wells and homecomings. We were constantly having them. Sometimes we wouldn't have testimony meetings because we had to do a fare well. It was pretty much expected of every young man. My son always wanted to serve a mission. He lasted two weeks in the MTC before he was sent home with OCD. H
  13. When it comes to beliefs, emotions always run hot.
  14. I am very sorry, I have not followed your posts closely so I find this VERY confusing. We have Welsh eskimos Maylays and Tartars duking it out in upstate New York?
  15. I'll stick with D&C 59. Given on a Sunday, God calls it the Sabbath.
  16. According to our prophet, revelation and unanimity among the 15 may be one and the same. From President Nelson, Oct 2014: "The calling of 15 men to the holy apostleship provides great protection for us as members of the Church. Why? Because decisions of these leaders must be unanimous. Can you imagine how the Spirit needs to move upon 15 men to bring about unanimity? These 15 men have varied educational and professional backgrounds, with differing opinions about many things. Trust me! These 15 men—prophets, seers, and revelators—know what the will of the Lord is when unanimity is reached!"
  17. I agree and feel that may have been a reason why remedying the situation took as long as it did.
  18. According to Mitchell, the European groups (Finn, Dane, and Welsh) associated with the Eskimo came to the northeast around the 10th century AD. They would have encountered the Malay somewhere near Onandaga. Both groups were destroyed by the Tartars from China. Bennett's conclusion was that Mitchell certainly recognized the characters in the Anthon transcript as evidence for his theories: "Whether he tried to translate Harris’s characters on the spot is not known, but he certainly seems to have studied them carefully enough to deliver a “learned dissertation” on them and to identify them as those of “a nation now extinct which he named.” Finally and almost certainly, he saw in these characters additional evidence for his own richly developed theories on the extinct “delicate” Australasian race that had been destroyed by the more ferocious Tartars somewhere in upstate New York not far from where Harris lived in Palmyra." Bennet is suggesting that Samuel Mitchell identified the characters on the Anthon transcript as being Malay, the nation that once inhabited the Manchester/Onandaga region. This is why the angel who delivers the plates to Joseph shares names with the great warrior chief from Kedah (Burma/Malaysia/Siam), Rajah Maroni.
  19. I think we should encourage more co-ed friendly proselytizing. Elder and sister tracting, team teaching, training, hugs could be healthy. A young elder and sister leading together as AP's would be great.
  20. Nope. There really was no reason at all that anyone needed to work on Sunday in that job.
  21. Hence the counsel we have received over the years from Elder Ballard about counseling with our councils.
  22. Harboring personal conjecture is one thing; conveying it to others as definitive is quite another. I dearly wish that hadn’t been done in the years prior to 1978.
  23. 1) There are often ways to trade out at least Sundays --- Muslim, Seventh Day Adventists and Jews all might be willing to trade with you. All companies have to give religious accommodations so you might be able to take your lunch hour during the time your sacrament meeting is. 2) If you are in a hazardous area, maybe your family would be blessed if your spouse remained in the workplace in case something happens to you. 3) Have you also looked into the comparative family friendly policies? 4) What would happen if your family set aside a different day of the week to be your Sabbath. If you could always get it off and you chose to use it to worship, you might be able to confirm that is okay with God? How does your bishop feel about your being able to get the sacrament once a month outside of Sunday? 5) It seems to me that you are trading one good for another good. The scriptures say to study it out and seek confirmation. 6) When I was in law enforcement and required to work on Sunday, I only listened to religious music in the car, I donated the entire amount I earned for the day to the humanitarian fund (I was single so that made it easier). I read only religious material at lunch. And I looked for ways to serve others in the course of my job. All of those things helped preserve sabbath for what it is for. 7) While money isn't everything (and you don't mention benefits or the value of your seniority or how that would work going forward ), but it can be important.
  24. See my post wherein I identified Elder Petersen and Elder Delbert L. Stapely as the quorum members who were not present and who were informed later. And why, according to your source, did Elder Petersen cry when he got word? Not from displeasure, I hope.
  25. Unfortunately whoever wrote that is wrong. Christians did not switch to Sunday because Constantine the PAGAN SUN WORSHIPPER started it in the 4th Century. Early Christians did keep the Jewish Sabbath on Saturday but many also venerated Sunday for being the day Christ rose from the dead. The Church Fathers recognized the change happening and did not disapprove and it appears to have been in progress in the Second Century. The Eucharist or Sacrament was often administered on both the first and seventh days. Constantine did declare the first day off for craftsmen and urban dwellers and for farmers unless it was necessary to work due to weather but there is no indication this was done for any religious reason. I like this scripture: 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
  26. My understanding is that was Elder Mark E. Petersen, who was out of the country. I understand that he cried when he heard of the new revelation.
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