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  2. As long as you understand that the office and keys of the bishopric (Aaronic priesthood) need to be conferred (i.e. designated, found worth, anointed, and ordained) under the hand of the First Presidency of the Melchizedek priesthood, even with the lineal descendants of Aaron, then we are in agreement., However, this condition is critical to whether the Aaron priesthood is or was of heaven or of earth, of God or of man, at various times within certain dispensations. When the keys of the Melchizedek priesthood were taken from the earth, then logically the office and keys of the bishopric could no longer be conferred, and were likewise subsequently taken from the earth, and could only be restored through the restoration of the keys of the Melchizedek priesthood. I am of the belief that at the time of Christs mortal ministry, the keys of the Melchizedek priesthood had long been taken from the earth--at least in the Old World, which meant that the Aaronic priesthood functioning at that time, was in a state of apostasy. And, while the keys of the Melchizedek priesthood were restored at the time of Christ, they, along with the keys of the bishopric (Aaronic priesthood) were eventually taken from the earth via the "Great apostasy," until they were restored in the latter days. I believe that Christ and his disciples submitted to the apostate rituals and ordinances as a mater of form, but I think that much of what Christ preached not only differentiated the new law from the old, but legitimate authority vs. apostate--particularly in Christ's discussion with Nicodemus and John the Baptists' subsequent discussion with the Rabbi, in John 3. But, I could be wrong. Thanks, -Wade Enlgund-
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  4. Yep, I knew one: https://leadingsaints.org/lgbt-issues-in-the-bishops-office/
  5. Third party intercessory prayer appears to work:
  6. Actually, the Church culture I live in views everyone but Christ as flawed and defective--I view myself that way in particular. It would be harmful were it not for the healing and perfecting power of he who is without flaw. As it is, I have found the Christ-centered life in my Church culture, rather than a flaw-centered life, to be extremely healthy. But, to each their own. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  7. Good advice, if you are LDS. If you are a Jew, another set of rules applies.
  8. You're thinking of an LDS context, instead of the Jewish context. A lineal descendant of Aaron who is also an LDS convert can theoretically be an LDS bishop without counselors. He need not even be a High Priest. You are correct that he needs the approval of the LDS First Presidency to do that. However, that is not my point: My point is that LDS doctrine on the lineal priesthood of Aaron is very clear. It is still in force, as in Numbers 8.
  9. Yes, it is in "full force" (whatever that means) as an appendage of the Melchizedek priesthood, with the bishopric as its presidency and holder of the keys. However, as I understand tings, while the lineage of Aaron do have a legal right to the office and keys of bishopric, that doesn't mean that they automatically hold the office and keys. The office and keys need to be conferred under the hands of the First presidency of the Melchizedek priesthood. (D&C 68:19-20) Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  10. You don't speak for me. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  11. The history of priesthood authority seems to be a complicated subject with twists, double meanings, vague statements, mixed with a lot of misunderstandings. No wonder the simplified version today is: The LDS prophet is right, so follow him.
  12. Read the D&C on the lineal priesthood of Aaron. It is LDS doctrine that the priesthood of Aaron is in full force. I am talking about the actual, lineal priesthood of Aaron, not the LDS substitute priesthood of Aaron, which is also valid in its own sphere.
  13. Yeah, no. We don't know that. Even in many instances of same-sex sexual behavior there is no annotation. I know of multiple Bishops, Stake Presidents, and 2 mission presidents. And if calling my marriage pretend demonstrates the alternative acceptance and non-judgment available outside the bigoted, hateful Church. . . . I'll stay right here, thanks.
  14. The apostasy of the Jewish people was not a "personal apostasy." There is more than one priesthood of God. The lineal Aaronic priesthood is a permanent priesthood for Israel. Read Numbers 8. The Melchizedek priesthood is another matter entirely.
  15. Given that I have close family members who have reluctantly gone through the process of temple divorce, later to find wonderful spouses, to which they became sealed, it is a comfort to know that Christ will be our merciful arbiter and judge rather than you. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  16. So my wife and I have been married previously [Civil marriages, my marriage 35 years ago ended in an annulment ] are we in adultery according to Jesus as found in the N.T ?. Thank you in advance. The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood In His Eternal Debt/Grace Anakin7 LDS, Saint, Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior
  17. No, you don't need to ask.
  18. I can't rightly answer your question because it presupposes something that is false. I am not trying to diminish others. Rather, I have exerted extreme patience trying to surmount your evident serious barriers in comprehending simple points. Since I can't smell your breath through my monitor, it seems perfectly reasonable to kindly ask if alcohol may be one of those barriers. I note that you didn't answer my question. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  19. I said no such thing. There was priesthood on the earth. To me, the priesthood of the Jews at the time of Christ, was in a state of apostasy. Their priesthood was thus of man, and not of God.. Similarly, there were priesthoods within the various Christian churches at the time of the latter-day restoration and even today. To me, those priesthoods were and are in a state of apostasy, and of man and not God. That is why the keys and priesthood from heaven needed to be restored. Is it starting to sink in yet? Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  20. This brings a scripture to mind. 2 Nephi 28:8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God. So we reject the eternal covenant we entered into of our own free will and choice, a clear sin. But then we take our stripes (ie, go through repentance). And then God will let us get a brand new covenant of our choosing. Not buying it. I don't know that we can actually repent of walking away from a valid eternal covenant without returning to that covenant. It seems patently insincere to claim repentance as long as you get what you want.
  21. Does it make you feel better about yourself when you try to diminish others?
  22. Ummmm... no I wouldn't ask that since the meaning of the very simple concept of "from heaven" isn't foreign to me. And, you didn't ask me How? The issue of authority had to do with where it came from (heaven vs earth), not how.. Do you not understand the difference? You are failing to follow the explanatory dots and confusing "where" with "how " questions. You are also falsely assuming that my intent is to convincingly differentiate my claims from those of other religions leaders, rather than simply explain my own beliefs about where Jesus and John got their authority as opposed to the Jews. Is there a point at which you just might correctly grasp anything I have said? By the way, I need to ask, are you inebriated? Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  23. It is interesting that the LDS church still gives a nod to Aaronic lineage when it allows an LDS Bishop of that direct lineage to serve without counselors if he so desires. My uncle and his son are both of that lineage and the son served as a bishop in a nearby ward. He did choose to have counselors.
  24. Got it. Personal apostasies happened, but the priesthood of god never left the earth.
  25. That is nice. However, it isn't my case to make. I was the one who issued the CFR. What I am primarily questioning is whether the divorce rates were higher than in other states, and whether those alleged high rates made Utah a Vegas-like divorce magnet, and whether that alleged magnet could be laid at the feet of Brigham Young. According to the report, the first divorce law in Utah was enacted in 1852. And, it evidently contained two flaws which enabled certain probate courts to game the system. Yet, as also indicated, "It is simple justice to the Mormon people , however, to say that they did not make any single misuse of these lenient provisions, for up to 1875, comparatively few divorces were granted." In 1886 and 87, though, Utah did become a "dumping ground for fraudulent suits from the East." Divorces jumped from 295 in 1875, to 709 in 1876, and 914 in 1877.(ibid) How that compares to other states is open to question. Now, when this spike, due to abuse in the probate courts , came to the public's attention, the adverse reaction was across the board (including "pulpits") , and legislative action was quickly taken to close down the loop holes and the "Divorce Bureau" practice. So, for two of the 25 years in question, both of which were 20 years after Brigham had left state office, Juliann was correct about the Vegas metaphor. Beyond that....fake news. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
  26. Apostasy can happen to anyone, and it happened to the Jewish people as a group. They have now found favor with the Lord, having returned from long Exile. The Levites have continued to perform their required duties all during that Exile. In 1841, on the Mount of Olives, Apostle Orson Hyde (dispatched by Joseph Smith) formally dedicated the Holy Land to the final gathering of the Jews, and to the rebuilding of their Temple. His Prayer of Dedication can be found in both Hebrew and English in the Orson Hyde Garden on the Mount of Olives, if you care to visit it.
  27. So how did the apostasy happen if we’ve had many of the tribe of Levi who have continued to hold this priesthood?
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