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  2. Actually beards are frowned upon, because God knew that I would not be able grow a decent looking one, and would have felt left out....
  3. I am all for good hymns from wherever Bernard. However, if these "17,000" are like the other 50 hymns in our hymnal which don't ever get sung, I'd say let's pass. If there are 17,000 submissions, I say let's try some out. Put them in an app or something, and give them a whirl. I usually know the first time I hear or sing a song whether it is one that has longevity. But 17,000 submissions which have not become popular enough for me to ever hear doesn't really bode well imho. I have listed about 20-30 songs I grew up with which are not in our hymnal, and which I miss. Most we can simply adopt as written, and a few can be easily revised to better fit the restored gospel. I see nothing wrong with borrowing from the best of what the last 200-300 years has given us in hymnody...do you object? We have had our own unique hymnody for about 150 years, but tbh, a good 50 of those songs just kinda drone on, and don't do it for me. I don't think we should eschew some of the best hymns , just because they don't have LDS composers. I think that is partially why we are looking at a new hymnal... Should we eschew members who wish to perform Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and Handel because they were not LDS Christians? God forbid Bernard...
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  5. I don’t know that I would hold my breath for the requirement that all Democrats be non-religious and non church attending. That seems like a stereotype run amok. I know many democrat church members. Being a democrat doesn’t automagically make them apostate heathens. One can definitely be a member in good standing and still be a democrat that wants to end tax exempt status. One deals with spiritual standing while the other is a political issue.
  6. Nope. It reminds me of the Church of Christ, or polygamist religions, that require no cuts and a bump up top. But women are restricted in so many other ways. I believe the beard rule originated with the hippie era when beards represented rebellion. Women are not allowed tatoos or double piercings or bare midriffs or exposed shoulders. Heaven forbid.
  7. As do white evangelical churches, Robert F. Smith. This is not a racial political mistake, but rather a religious one.
  8. When I was studying in American for my master's degree, we were selected by the Twelve to trial a new YSA convention that included priests and laurels. We had a full-time CES employee as our Institute instructor/adviser, and we followed the directions we'd be given carefully. When everything was planned and approved, we sent notifications to all of the stake presidents in an area that included our state and four surrounding states and asked them to promote it. Then, to our surprise, three or four stake presidents wrote back to tell us that we were wrong to be doing this. In every case, they were concerned that their youth were going to be exposed to some kind of immoral behaviour/temptation. We were stunned. Our Institute director sought guidance by contacting the Twelve. He received a reply by telephone from one of the apostles. He assured us that we were doing nothing wrong and urged us not to worry about the handful of stake presidents who'd raised these concerns. 'They are almost certainly wrestling with their own demons', he said. I've never forgot that lesson.
  9. I agree the royalty concern has no basis in fact and is unreasonably cynical. But there are some hymns with words written by modern apostles (though all have passed on now). — Gordon B. Hinckley wrote “My Redeemer Lives” (not to be confused with “I Know That My Redeemer Lives). G. Homer Durham, another General Authority, wrote the music to that one — Joseph Fielding Smith wrote “Does the Journey Seem Long?” —- James E. Faust wrote the words to “This Is the Christ,” though that is not in the hymnal. It is a popular choir selection, however. — Marion D. Hanks was not an apostle, but I’ll mention him because he was a well-known General Authority. He wrote “That Easter Morn.” This list, of course, does not include 19th century Church leaders who wrote hymns, some of which we still use today.
  10. My bad. On the iPhone, you CAN use the two-finger method to expand the size. It’s just that I never do it because it makes it larger than the screen size and you have to keep scrolling around to view it. Very impractical, especially when you’re singing the hymn with a congregation. Best just to turn the device sideways and let it automatically expand. The screen is still wide enough to fit the page, and you only have to scroll up and down once in the course of singing a verse and chorus. Ahab was referring to the text-only version of the hymns in Gospel Library. He did not realize I had reference to the LDS Music (now renamed Sacred Music) app.
  11. Some of them do. “Come, Come, Ye Saints” is fairly well known — if not popular — in other churches. Of course, the melody is not original with us. William Clayton, who wrote the words while the Pioneers were encamped on the plains of Iowa in 1846 during the trek west to their new home, set his words to a tune that was already popular in churches of the day. That’s why his new hymn could catch on so quickly and become the anthem of the Mormon Pioneer movement for the decades to come.
  12. 😢 17,000 submissions plus keeping some of our best and we want to borrow from our Protestant friends? We have the talent and the means to have our own unique hymnody. Maybe they can borrow some from us for a change.
  13. Calm posted that the deadline was in July.
  14. Perhaps someone can also explain to me why my previous post has all the text in grey. It must be warning me that it’s late and I should go to bed.
  15. I know what I said sounded terribly dismissive of religion in general. Alas, I cannot edit my posts yet, so please hear me out as I explain. I think that all too often, scripture is interpreted as pushing our behavior in line via fear. There are consistent threats in the scriptures telling what will happen if we violate a law/commandment/utterance/prophetic-thank-you-note-scribbled-on-a-napkin. Typically, the outcome involves going kayaking on a river of fire and brimstone without a paddle — or a kayak. What happens in those situations is that people have a tendency to demand very specific guidelines as to what does or doesn’t constitute the violation of those things above — wanting it all spelled out. That’s partly what makes the discussion on this site so interesting. Who wouldn’t want to discuss the finer points of whether or not consuming a fine dish made with alcohol and a six-pack Mountain Dew chaser is a Word of Wisdom violation? But, I don’t think that’s how it’s supposed to be — in fact, the Doctrine and Covenants has a warning about being commanded in all things. However, there is much in the scriptures that also tell us what we should be doing as opposed to what we shouldn’t. Unfortunately, it gets so little air time that “Hell fire and damnation” are dunking over it all night long on the court. The entire point of the fall was to allow us to learn good from evil. Some things we know deep down are on one side or another. Other things are a little more difficult to discern which is where the Holy Ghost steps in and helps us determine what is sin — FOR OURSELVES. Basic gospel tenet: personal revelation is not personal revelation if you are attempting to receive it to define someone else’s sin. That’s not how personal revelation works. Yes, the scriptures tell us a lot about what is or isn’t sin — but in relativistic and general terms. Generally speaking, one can apply the rules and guidelines to the vast majority of situations and come out of it looking like Mr. Clean on laundry day. But, it doesn’t spell out exceptions either, and yes, God does include exceptions in the terms and conditions. No, I’m not kidding (about there being exceptions as well as terms and conditions). If the scriptures were so clear about LGBTQ people and their situations, why is the church leadership saying they don’t know enough about it and don’t have the revelation for it? Does anyone really think they have not studied the scriptures enough to know whether or not scriptures were plainly clear on the matter? You see, if we spend our lives trying to figure out how close we can get to the “line of sin” without crossing it, we are going to continuously step over it because humans are notoriously spiritually distracted and disoriented by shiny stuff — and sometimes we’re just stupid. If only we spent just as much, if not more, energy focusing on the things that we know are as far away from the line as possible (such as loving our neighbors rather than trying to convince them of their spiritual footing), this discussion board could reallocate some of the money spent on bandwidth toward something more fun — like an animated gif of the Angel Moroni doing the Carlton.
  16. I’m not sure I understand your criticism of them. Are you proposing that they had no say in what they wore? Maybe they chose color or style, but that they were ordered to wear suits? Is it possible they individually or even collectively decided what they would wear and that there was nothing nefarious about it? Are they projecting some kind of negative vibe to the sisters of the world because of what they wear? in their formal portraits all but one are wearing some sort of suit. Is this objectionable? https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/leaders/general-auxiliaries?lang=eng Then there is this... https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/emma-hale-smith And this.... https://www.pinterest.com/latterdayarray/women-leaders/
  17. Jesus had a solution for men.
  18. You know, if women's bodies are that dangerous, I don't know why clothing is the only solution. I mean, we could do body surgeries and remove offending parts or otherwise modify them to a non-attraction level--face, hair, curves; that would solve the problem permanently if salvation is truly contingent upon this matter.
  19. Oops. There’s a full moon out tonight. Fixed. Thanks to you and mbski. My bad. I hardly ever read the fine print. Have you heard the one about the Polish Cossack and the farmer’s daughter? They never met. His commander wouldn’t let him go out with a hussy and her father wouldn’t let her go out with a Hussar.
  20. I guess we would have to determine if convention was the purpose of what they are wearing. I'm not saying that is the purpose. To the degree that convention is the reason, then, indeed, convention is not a companion of the gospel; and neither is non-convention. But to raise a convention to gospel and virtue; because all women are watching them but if many women cannot see themselves in these women, nor can the women themselves cannot see themselves in what they wear (which I could not know, but ALL of them want solid suits?), then yes, I do think we are missing a greater joy. Ditto for men and what they are required to wear. To say, "Wear this for general conference," not simply because someone would like to follow convention as a personal choice. Yes, they are representing something other than themselves, but why does God come in suit flavor? I don't get it.
  21. Look at the woman figure...her skirt is more than above the knee....
  22. So are the GA sisters wrong to follow convention?
  23. A beard contest prize winner for sure. That’s what mine would look like now at my age. I gave up when it got about two inches long.
  24. OK. So his skirt is above the knee, but he has on pants and tall boots. Modern and modest. Lots of modest ladies around here wear those.
  25. As I said; Some Black Evangelical churches push candidates and are very open about it.
  26. This gives some additional info if you aren’t aware of it yet. https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/content/revelations-in-context-by-section?lang=eng
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