Jump to content

All Activity

This stream auto-updates     

  1. Past hour
  2. hope_for_things

    Temple Recommend Questions

    I'm not advocating lying or misleading. I recognize that many people within the church take a very black and white literalistic perspective, the correlated material you've been fed has helped produce this culture. There are different perspectives a person can take and different ways of viewing things. Some would even say that the questions are intentionally written to be broadly interpreted. Do what you think is best and what sits well with your conscience.
  3. churchistrue

    Temple Recommend Questions

    A TR interview is for the purpose of getting a TR. ie if the answer is no, the person probably wouldn't come for the interview, so the bishop is expecting a yes answer. With that expectation, most likely the bishop or stake prez would probe the answer, trying to coach the person to change the answer to get the recommend. For example, "no" to question "do you keep the law of chastity?" No? OK, how are you not keeping the law of chastity, do you have something to repent of? Well, I have impure thoughts. Is that it? Yes. Well, that doesn't keep you from being unworthy from the temple? Are you sure? I feel really guilty. Yes, I'm sure. You're normal. If you're not acting on those thoughts, you're fine. OK, then, I guess it's a yes. If the interview candidate is adamant about the no answer or if the clarifying questions bring out detail that would cause the bishop to agree with the candidate that they aren't fit for TR, then they would not give the recommend.
  4. hope_for_things

    Temple Recommend Questions

    I don't think that universality is necessarily in question from the position I was articulating. This same person could believe that God is working with other groups of people in different ways. There are plenty of quotes from church leaders that could be used to support a more expansive view of universality.
  5. strappinglad

    Temple Recommend Questions

    Why someone wants to lie, mislead, fudge on the questions confuses me. If you can't answer the authority questions then you are saying that all the work done in the temple has no eternal effect and you are just wanting a VIP ticket for the elites social club. Go join the Shriners.
  6. rodheadlee

    can I ask for some prayer please

    Way cool Tacenda. We tried to put harnesses on our cats and they won't wear them. That's a nice harness that cat had I'd like to know where to get one. We should have put them on harnesses and leashes from birth.
  7. rockpond

    Elder Oaks

    I listen to his message from this conference (and quite a few others with a similar them) and wonder what it is he is wanting members to do with it.
  8. ksfisher

    Temple Recommend Questions

    I recognize that that is the reality of the situation as far as those who are not members of the church are concerned. However, a person who is a member of the church and is seeking entrance into the house of the Lord to participate in some of the most sacred aspect of the gospel should have a different point of view. For that person not recognize the universality of the priesthood would be a fundamental misunderstanding of the power and authority of God given to his servants on earth.
  9. I would humbly suggest that there are a number of different valid interpretations of those verses. Someone who interprets them differently does not fail to "believe the Bible."
  10. hope_for_things

    Temple Recommend Questions

    Explain in practical terms how any authority from an Latter-day Saint church leader really has any reach outside of the believers/members of the church? They don't recognize their authority and it doesn't impact their lives. I could claim to have authority over you, and how would that make any difference in your life? You would ignore it, and that is your right.
  11. hope_for_things

    Temple Recommend Questions

    Thats just the reality of the situation. Church leaders don't have any authority over anyone, but the people that give them that authority (members of the church.) Non-members don't recognize them as having any authority over their lives, and so in reality they don't have any authority. If someone who believes in voodoo came up to you and told you they were putting a curse on you, would you recognize their authority to do so? I wouldn't.
  12. Tacenda

    Elder Oaks

    11:05 on the video with Packer, is so sad. Those poor LGBTQ men who had to sit there and listen to this, and pretty sure was a reason for some of them taking their lives. The year was 1976, pretty sure this contributed to a friend's suicide that was gay and in the closet in high school. I'm sick.
  13. If you believed the Bible, you too would believe that as Children of God, we may become Gods. Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
  14. hope_for_things

    Temple Recommend Questions

    I'm really just recommending that he thinks about the questions in a slightly different way. Because of leadership roulette, there is a wide range of responses from people, like you've demonstrated here. Its probably best to just answer yes or no to avoid having leaders "smell a rat" and doing further investigation as you've expressed. I don't think the Temple Recommend interview should be an investigation by the leaders administering the questions. I think people are to self evaluate, and the leader is just there to administer the questions, but the person being interviewed is the person who should decide whether they are worthy or not.
  15. Kenngo1969

    Is it time to end Testimony meetings?

    Wow. Who knew that there's such a market for Mr. Judy's dulcet-toned, erudite ruminations? (I wonder if he's he booked for years out?)
  16. rongo

    Is it time to end Testimony meetings?

    Don't let him borrow your cell phone if he's going up to the stand, though . . . My sister was at the devotional where he attempted to hold President Hunter hostage. That was my senior year of high school.
  17. rongo

    Temple Recommend Questions

    Right. If someone were trying to be cute with the question, I would ask them about original intent. Do they really think the question is asking about within the Church only? If they acted like they really did, I would tell them that it doesn't, and ask them about their belief about that.
  18. There is nothing that says that the prophet has to be the "most" spiritual of all the apostles. How do you even measure that "criterion"? I believe that each prophet has specific gifts needed for his time. They are not necessarily the most spiritual. Think of President Brigham Young, I wouldn't consider him the most spiritual, I tend to agree more with Orson Pratt on a lot of spiritual issues, but Brigham was the right person for the job ahead of him.
  19. ksfisher

    Elder Oaks

    These questions and more are discussed with Dr. Brian Simmons in this episode of the Ask a Mormon Lesbian Podcast Perhaps in the future general conference will include a rebuttal time after each apostle speaks.
  20. Today
  21. Mansquatch

    War poured out starting with Civil War

    Verse 4 can be interpreted as talking about the end of the Soviet Union when the Republics (Slavic countries, slav is the origin of the word slave) split out while their masters were marshaled for war (Cold War) Verse 5 can mean that the remnant of the descendants of scattered Israel in the middle east will vex the gentiles (Terror, War on Terror etc.)
  22. mfbukowski

    What Are Blessings?

    Pray about it. Read Alma 32 again and again and parse every word. If is "SWEET" to you, it is true, and if it moves you closer to God. "But how do I know if I am REALLY closer to God?" How do you even know IF there IS a God? Same way! Back to Alma 32. If it is a belief which grows in your heart to be "sweet" then it is true- for you at least- which is fine. There is no objective measure of these things. If you want a "Bless-O- Meter" for objective measurement you better get busy and invent one. Not gonna happen. Relgion is about mental states, not objective truth- but personal private truth. The truth is not out there, it is in here. In your heart. But just as real as the computer you are looking at now- which is also made by your perceptions of it. You turn reflected photons into a "computer"- chaos into order. What works for you to give you peace and bring you closer to God - if you decide he exists, which is also non objective. Kinda weird that everyone knows God is not objectively observable-- but then you want blessings to be??? What kind of logic is that???? Scientific objective truth is not the kind of truth given by religion by definition. Listen to Elder Oaks recent conference talk on..... TRUTH. The talk is actually NOT about hermaphrodites which is what this board turned it into. I wish we could do more here than take the lowest common road every single time. First 10 minutes of the talk will do. Oh yeah - and read Alma 32 until it sinks in. It's about MENTAL STATES of peace. That is what religion is. Newsflash!! Oh yeah one more- read my siggy below. All knowledge is a mental state- or else it would not be "in your head"
  23. Scott Lloyd

    Is it time to end Testimony meetings?

    If I ran a ward, my prearranged signal for the contingency hymn would be to suddenly cut the mic. That ought to be the first thing to happen anyway. Avoid giving these yahoos even a split second of additional pulpit time. —- Since being paroled in 2004, Cody Judy has been busy: congressional candidate, three-time candidate for U. S. President, and he’s currently running a write-in campaign for U. S. senator from Utah. If you have between $30,000 and $70,000 plus expenses to pay him, he’ll speak at your event.
  24. webbles

    Utah Highest Sex Abuse Rate

    In the report from JarMan, it also breaks down by age of the victim in table 3-5 (though, this is for all victims, not just s-x abuse victims). If you rank the states, then Utah is: <1 years old: 31st 1 year old: 27th 2 year old: 28th 3 year old: 23rd 4 year old: 24th 5 year old: 20th 6 year old: 26th 7 year old: 19th 8 year old: 22nd 9 year old: 20th 10 year old: 19th 11 year old: 20th 12 year old: 18th 13 year old: 15th 14 year old: 11th 15 year old: 10th 16 year old: 5th 17 year old: 3rd Utah sits around the middle of the pack for most ages and only for the teenage years does it start to climb. This is probably when s-xual abuse starts being seen. Interestingly enough, only Utah and District of Columbia have this type of large of a climb where they are low in the earlier ages and then go up in the later ages. A few states have a high rank in the lower ages and then get a lower rank as the age progresses but most states appear to stay relatively stable. Massachusetts is either ranked 1 or 2 for all age groups. Kentucky is ranked 2, 3, or 4 for all age groups. Indiana is ranked 3, 4, 5, or 6 for all age groups. I would have expected more states to show a change once teenager years start. If you look at Vermont (which has the highest per capita child s-xual assault per this report), its highest rank is only 13 overall and that is for 14 year olds. The rest of the time, it is ranked in the 18 or lower (mostly in the upper 20s or 30s).
  25. Mansquatch

    War poured out starting with Civil War

    Section 87 doesn't just predict the US "Civil War", but also the first and second World Wars, the Cold War, the War on Terror and the ever escalating, US interventionism.
  26. ksfisher

    Temple Recommend Questions

    I think that it would misunderstanding of priesthood keys, and the very nature of the priesthood itself, to imagine that they only function within one church.
  27. flameburns623

    Elder Oaks

    These questions and more are discussed with Dr. Brian Simmons in this episode of the Ask a Mormon Lesbian Podcast
  1. Load more activity
×